Confirmed by Animadoria, Escargot is now closed source. I have no idea why, but it is.
what a dick move, this is a literal fuck you to the foss communityâŚ
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escargot falls down in my eyes:/
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click if you want to cringe hard. itâs fucking retarded
escargot has been dead ever since the flop that was the WLM â09 launch
massively hyped for 2 years and then it fucking crashed and burned due to poor migration
itâs relatively stable now but i still refuse to unironically use escargot
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fuck, it might get haxed like phoenix did, due to closed source
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Escargot is much more secure than Phoenix (irreversible password hashes for one), but who knows.
Never thought iâd agree with ICTY until today.
Wait, I just remembered this⌠but didnât Anima promise to update the repo with his changes?
EDIT: Yup. He did.
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werenât they a she?
See the last part of this post:
â(and Iâm a man, by the way.)â
Thatâs just silly. Iâll ask you what I always ask âomfg it must be open source otherwise I donât know what theyâre running!!!â people⌠how do you know weâre running the version which has been released?
People make that assumption, but in reality a lot of services that provide their sources also tend to have their own configuration and plugins they donât typically make public. Itâs not just for chat, but itâs also for things like WordPress, etc.
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First of all, epictaco, thanks for being a big dramatic baby. Iâve said it probably 1,000 times: some parts will be open source (itâs all through the discord and even on this forum), just not right away and not for a while making it effectively not open source for quite a while, and the primary reason is because of people like SxSuri⌠well, you, among others.
That is to say, people who want to take someone elseâs hard work, copy it, set it up, proclaim that they now how their own service and thatâs that. Take an issue such as this that weâre working on: federation to avoid people losing their contacts and people they know because theyâre talked into joining some other service run by someone who doesnât realise it takes actual work to do it right and shuts it down after a few months.
A secondary reason is because of how itâs all integrated, which is too much detail to get into, but itâs just not a monolithic hunk of shitty python code anymore, and it canât be if you want it to run well. I realise some of you get all excited about python, but for a project like this, itâs a terrible, terrible choice and weâre fixing that.
Second it canât âgoâ closed source, the sources which exist now will always be available for people like you to fork and do nothing with and pretend theyâre saving their world. Youâre lying about this, just like you originally lied and said that we violated the license by accepting donations, which if that were true then every open source project is truly screwed.
First of all the FOSS community doesnât care about Escargot, it could totally disappear tomorrow and nobody would really notice. Second the source is still out there, just not for the new services. And I realise itâs close to Christmas, but you can stop carrying around that cross.
Which is why it has more users now than it did then, I guess theyâre all doing it ironically, how cool and hip. Stop trying to save Escargotâs failure, itâs getting so old dude.
Iâm not surprised, itâs the kind of thing you do.
And you can all bitch and moan all you want, and hope and pray this destroys the Escargot that you donât like⌠but it wonât. The same people will still sign on tomorrow, and the next day, still talk to their friends, and wonât give a flying fuck about the new version being open source so they can pretend itâs some sort of saving grace, wonât care about calling a wambulance for the supposedly offended FOSS community, and life will go on, and youâll still be here talking about how Escargot is dead, nobody uses it unironically, and it wasnât what it used to be, and yet it keeps growing.
Enjoy your bubble of delusion fellas, but know that as time goes on, it looks sadder and fucking sadder.
And next time you use a service which has an open source component always ask yourself: are they running the version theyâve released? Because it seems to me that so many of you, evidenced by your posts here and elsewhere, seem to believe in it like itâs a religion, that you take total faith that because RocketChat or whoever is open source, therefore what theyâre running is the same code you can look at, yet many of you at the same time will be paranoid about Google.
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the amount of English users has diminished, most of the active post-â09 escargot users are now copy and pasted Hispanic FNF boyfriend-profile picture 12 year olds who lurk on BitView.
icty (aka European tlwxpuser) is probably one of the OICâs biggest retards what do you expect, he is one of collabvmâs most hated forkies and only is active on omniarchvie (also known as Minecraft archiving mixed with lolis)
Thatâs what you find on MessengerGeek anyway. Thereâs tons of people that are old enough to actually spell proper words.
AnywayâŚ
Escargot never saw many contributions from being open source, and it has had more trouble because it is open source, and it only contributes to a fractured user base. With that, some components of Escargot will be open source.
We plan to be as transparent as possible. If you havenât noticed, weâre every day working on reworking stuff in order to make it more stable and not actually a bunch of spaghetti code. More information will come soon, but if you think âthis is the end of Escargotâ, youâre sorely mistaken.
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Not since we took over, weâve mostly enforced a lot of English-only, and the spanish-only crowd, especially young men, has largely either grown up or left. I rarely see this kind of thing any more, but Iâve been around the last 8 months, you havenât that much. You should come back to the discord, itâs way larger and way different.
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Iâve been trying to distance myself from the OIC as far as possible, and Iâm pretty sure there are a few omniarchivians on your community, which would be a recipe for disaster.
omni already fucked my mental health to the point that i donât even want to eat that much anymore.
Wasnât proper WLM 8 support, 2009 support, Yahoo! Messenger support, the new website (both the one you made and the one that got replaced), the Messenger Plus! sound server, the text ad system, games and activities, etc all contributions from the community/developers that were once community members? Or at the very least, helped in a big way by the community (pretty much the same definition but yeah :p). You were also a countributor (found lost installers for WLM 8 in different languages, the new site which was being worked on long before you were a developer, helping with merging the site changes for that update, etc).
Most, if not all of the lazily hosted Escargot forks just crashed and burned in favor of the real deal anyway.
Thatâs a nice change. Please do.
Not really. Most of the userbase are pretty good English speakers, and I believe only a few are actually in the OIC.
Giving credit where credit is due, you and Tony are talented programmers and you two are really doing a great job at stabilizing the service.
These were all implemented by already settled developers (valtron and walkingphasers). It wouldnât matter if it was open source or not. I didnât contribute that much back then, and that last thing about merging changes was only because the person in charge of it didnât have basic git skills, something they should have anyway, and I just pressed buttons and figured out what needed to be merged, nothing more. The installers didnât contribute to the code at all.
Weâre pretty transparent to our donators, and they get this information first, considering they help us host the service. This information is eventually relayed to everyone else.
Thanks, but knowing how to program isnât enough, you have to know how to run a service too, whatâs the best course of action, and we donât do stuff without any prior thinking, if something happens on Escargot it happens for a reason.
What Iâd do is give everyone the same information, but the donators get more details about it, while everyone else gets a summary of it. This is just personal preference however.
Thatâs true. Running a service by just winging it and having no idea what youâre doing is a recipe for disaster
Everyone gets the same information. Donators just get it first.