Well, I wanted to register an account to try out this server, but I can’t get through the spam test (That ask you why should you have an account), but I really don’t have any explanation other than “I want to try it out”.
I understand why is it like this, but for me it’s just a dead end.
(But maybe that something IP related since I have a dynamic IP)
The spam test is the “what is the background color of this page?” question. The justification part is just stored with the account, and not checked, nor is there any IP address verification.
You’re not the first to be tripped up by this, so perhaps I need to look into an alternative.
Sorry for the trouble, and no need to apologize to me! It’s no bother at all.
MattKC just released a video about Retro AIM Server and ChivaNet
He’s so right about these proprietary servers like NINA or Phoenix:
None of these services have ever been willing open source their server code. You can connect to these servers, but if they ever go down then AIM becomes completely unusable once again. This in my opinion is not true preservation
Speaking of spreading disinformation like with your other comment, why are you lying and saying we don’t document any of the ICQ protocols on our wiki? We have OSCAR parts and WIM/WebAPI parts, some things are still missing but we’ve got more than anyone else. Do you have such a hate boner for us you are allergic to reality? You seemed genuinely upset when we made AIM free to access, I wonder what kind of lies and delusions you’ll spew when ICQ goes free soon.
It’s my position that having multiple groups who cater to different demographics reviving these services shows that the ecosystem for retro server revival is healthy, and I’d prefer to have a congenial relationship among all such developers.
I run ChivaNet because I have a passion for retro technology, not as an attempt to one-up NINA or Phoenix or any other group. I may not agree with the closed-source approach, but one would hope a world as large as this one would accommodate two differing opinions, especially for two projects engaged in preservation work. We can debate all day about whether or not closed-source re-implementations constitute effective preservation, but even if they don’t, NINA’s wiki documentation alone represents a massive amount of not only preservation work, but reverse engineering as well. This is why NINA has been and continues to be credited as such.
That said, it seems like the NINA folks have difficulty with anyone doing work similar to theirs, as they maintain a presence tone-policing, narrative-policing, and hijacking threads anywhere they feel they might be mentioned. While this has been consistently tolerated on our end, the inverse is very much untrue. For example, upon accidentally clicking a link that took me to the NINA Discord, I was kicked in under a minute. I don’t know if the NINA folks are afraid I’d spy, steal, or disparage, but ironically, any info I could glean from the NINA project is already on their open wiki.
So while I appreciate the concept of apologizing for hijacking my thread, given the patterns I have pointed out, it rings as simultaneously hollow and on-brand. Perhaps with a little bit of growth and maturity, things can improve, and I hope they do.
As I have said, I’m not in this as a competition. The world is a better place when people work together. Let’s aim for that instead.
It’s more like where people straight up lie about what’s going on. If I say “Chivanet doesn’t have a page with Buddy Icons” for example, when it obviously does, and I make a point to repeatedly tell people that and use it as a means to act morally superior is you pointing out that I’m being dishonest “tone-policing” and “narrative-policing”?
That makes no sense to me, mk6i has been in our server for 9 months, so if we were concerned about people from other projects spying or stealing, we probably would’ve banned him a long time ago. We also have people mention RAS quite often, we don’t have an issue with that, as I’ve said before it’s a really cool project. I don’t know why or how you would’ve been kicked, but we don’t have any record of you ever joining and all joins and leaves are logged (assuming your username is Serena or contains that, of course).
If the pattern is responding to lies and pointing out that you didn’t seem to ever actually join the server you claimed to be kicked from (are you sure it was ours? Again, no record), I’m not sure how that’s an immature pattern, but if you say so, I guess.
Well, I agree it isn’t, but making sure to point out that you don’t have a paywall at the start of this thread definitely seems like you’re trying to compete, but you wouldn’t do that, of course. And even if I’m wrong, you aren’t going to correct that, I assume, because that would be immature, tone-policing, and narrative-policing, right?
